Religious Experience Revision 2009

What kind of argument is it? What is good about it? Why should it be considered as an argument?

  • A posteriori – concludes that God manifests himself in direct ways.
  • Encounter with something – the wholly other. (Otto)
  • The other arguments aim to prove that the existence of the universe can lead to conclusions about the existence of God – they are indirect – from the universe to God – here from God to God.
  • Schleiermacher defined religious experiences
    • Sense of the ultimate
    • Wholeness
    • Consciousness of infiniteness
    • Dependence
  • Hume had demolished the rational arguments for God’s existence but here was an area which could not be so easily dismissed.
  • Numinous – Otto
  • Psychology has helped to both empirically root and undermine the value of religious experiences
  • William James categorised experiences into types e.g. conversion – St Paul
  • He realised that they had common emotional experiences – but that it was the effect on the life of the experient which gave it validity.
  • In 20th century the Logical Positivists had a negative effect on this aspect but in last 50 years its importance has been seen again especially since research shows that over 50% of people believe that they have had some kind of mystical exp.

 

Is it proof?

  • Swinburne: ‘an omnipotent God will seek to interact with his creatures.
  • Swinburne‘s Principles of Credulity– we should believe – and Testimony – most people tell the truth. ‘If it seems to a subject that x is present then probably x is present.
  • Doesn’t use empirical evidence gained through the five senses but non-empirical evidence gained through use of a religious sense.
  • We do and can trust our senses even if on occasion we are wrong. [see The story of the explorers in the jungle… (p 59 of the big book!)]
  • Of course sometimes these experiences are not valid e.g drugs, hallucinations; deliberate lies; or arising out of illness. BUT even these may not necessarily invalidate them …
  • On the other hand Bertrand Russellwhat is the difference between a man who drinks and sees snakes and one who fasts and sees God?’
  • Also inductive knowledge is inherently unreliable since it is not certain but subject to interpretation.

 

Arguments against

  • Wittgenstein – seeing as – individual perceptions, beauty, ugliness, the ink blots…
  • RM Hare – bliks – the student and the dons… nothing will convince him …
  • If no God then no experiences
  • If everyday experiences deceptive then so much more so ones of God!!
  • Testimony of religious believers especially unreliable – pre-existing belief so evidence not unbiased.
  • Psychological crutch!
  • Biological and neurological explanations [see Francis Collins.]

However

  • No proof of the non-existence of God; God may be simpler explanation than alternative!
  • Religious experience claims are not always invalid. What about the effect on the life?
  • Religious believers are more likely to have and describe one but then they know what they are looking at! Whereas someone else might need it explaining! (see Samuel in the temple p 62 or 1 Sam 3)
  • Just because religious experience may satisfy deep psychological needs doesn’t make it necessarily the only explanation!

 

Conclusion

SwinburneI suggest that the overwhelming testimony of so many people to occasional experiences of God, must, in the absence of counter-evidence, be taken as tipping the balance decisively in favour of the existence of God.’

 

Experience

Experient

Type

Sees god as Holy in the Temple and himself as unclean

Isaiah

Mystical

Burning Bush and mission to Free God’s People

Moses

Mystical

Great Storm and the still small voice

Elijah

Mystical

The Road To Damascus; the blinding light and the voice of Jesus

Saul / St Paul

Conversion

Gang Leader in New York

Nicky Cruz [p 86]

Conversion

‘Joy, joy, joy, tears of joy.’

Blaise Pascal

Mystical

‘Mysterium tremendum et fascinans’

Otto

Mystical

A feeling of ultimate concern

Tillich

Mystical

‘And they were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues.’

Disciples at Pentecost

Mystical and Corporate

At the 11:15 a.m. service…there was a tremendous awe and sense of the presence of God…whole groups of the congregation fell down without anyone being near them…’

The Toronto Blessing

Corporate

 

 

Topics for consideration

How can this be used as an argument for the existence of God?

What are its drawbacks and advantages?

Is it still valid in this day and age?

To what extent do the criticisms invalidate its claims?

Whose experiences can you use in support? Details!

Religious Language raises very difficult if not impossible problems

Discuss this statement by examining two of the following: analogy, verification or falsification [40]

The problem with religious language arises from the fact that we use ordinary words to describe or talk about extra-ordinary things like God and what He is like or fundamental questions of existence. In doing so we are using what Aquinas called ‘equivocal’ language that is words that have more than one meaning. The problem here lies in that when we speak about God as ‘a good shepherd’ we don’t mean it literally but metaphorically or symbolically. That God is like a shepherd but not like since he is the ‘greatest’ shepherd there could be but we are not sheep! Or when we talk about there being ‘life after death’ we know what life is and we know what death means but ‘life after death’ is an oxymoron, a logical contradiction. This is the nature of religious language – it uses terms we all understand but in a different way. This, the Logical Positivists say, makes religious assertions meaningless for no one can ever agree on the ‘true’ meaning of these assertions.

 

The Logical Positivists base their claim that religious language is meaningless on their assertion that all assertions should be verifiable by one or more of the five senses. This they call the Verification Principle. This they regard as empirical, concrete, practical evidence; evidence that can be checked and repeated so that all can agree e.g. ‘the table is round.’

They divide statements up into analytic – those which are true by definition like ‘all bachelors are unmarried men’; synthetic – those whose truth can be verified by testing e.g. it is raining outside and mathematical e.g. 1+1=2. All other statements, they claim, are meaningless.

They regard the world as just this one, the realm of the phenomenon, in which only cognitive experiences are meaningful. The problem for them lies in the fact that religious language is non-cognitive and almost by definition non-verifiable. After all how do you verify ‘God loves me’ or even ‘God exists’? However it is not only religious language that is a problem for them. How would they define opinions like ‘I don’t like Mondays’? or emotions like ‘I love you’? or ‘Picasso was a rubbish artist in his blue period,’ or ‘music by Michael Jackson is better than that by Beethoven.’? Or even intentions like ‘I was going to do my homework but had to go to the dentist instead’ or ‘I will do it tomorrow’?’ and what about moral assertions like ‘it is wrong to murder’? All of these are assertions and belong to the affective side of life but few would deny they have meaning for people.

Even a fairly straightforward assertion like ‘King Harold was killed at the Battle of Hastings’ is not directly verifiable. For cases like these AJ Ayer proposed a weak form of the verification principle: so long as we know what it would take to verify an assertion he said that was sufficient to make it meaningful. Presumably, in this case, the Bayeux Tapestry and first-hand accounts would be acceptable.

 

Antony Flew, recognising that in fact there were many assertions which are not directly verifiable, proposed the Falsification Principle. He suggested that so long as we can know what it would take for something to be proved false and that the claimant accepted the evidence then statements could be said to be meaningful. For example to assert that there is no life on Mars we would have to know what conditions are necessary for life to exist on Mars.

However his argument with the people who made religious claims was that they were very unlikely to accept any evidence that might contradict their claims. He expanded on the Parable of the Gardener. He told of the two explorers who came across a beautiful clearing in a jungle, one of whom ( a theist) claimed that it was so beautiful it must be tended by a gardener. When challenged by his friend (an atheist) they set all sorts of traps but no gardener ever became apparent. The theist argued that the fact that none of the traps had ever been sprung didn’t prove the gardener didn’t exist but that he must be invisible and intangible and inaudible. The atheist wryly commented that he didn’t see the difference between this gardener and no gardener at all. Obviously this is analogical to the situation with theists in general and their claims about God. Despite all evidence to the contrary like evil and suffering, they continue to believe in a good God. This is when religious assertions become meaningless Flew said and God dies the ‘death of a thousand qualifications.’

A more modern analogy was related by RM Hare in his parable of the paranoid student and the dons in which a student becomes convinced, despite all evidence to the contrary, that the dons at his university are out to kill him. He coined the term ‘blik‘ to describe these apparently meaningless viewpoints which nevertheless have powerful influences on the behaviour of the people who believe them. Rather like being afraid of spiders or enclosed spaces – these ‘bliks’ cannot be verified but are not meaningless.

 

A real stumbling block for believers when making assertions about the nature of their God is that so often He is described either in negative terms – what is called the Via Negativa or Apophatic Way; God is not: visible, touchable, smellable, hearable etc. or in superlatives ‘all good’ ‘all loving’ ‘all powerful’ or the ‘good‘ shepherd etc. but none of these actually says anything about what He is like.

 

It is of distinct interest that Ayer later retracted his position and acknowledged that the Verification Principle itself was meaningless because it could not be verified! However despite all the problems with understanding religious language it is clear that to believers it is not meaningless and anything which affects life and lives so profoundly cannot be dismissed without making some attempt to understand it.

 

[And I haven’t even mentioned Wittgenstein and Language Games.]